Blackjack Dealer Must Draw To 16

The Dealer must draw to 16 and Stand when hard 17 or more is reached. At the end of the game, if your count is the same as the Dealer’s it is a Stand-Off (nobody wins). Blackjack dealer must draw to 16 - Montecarlo gran casino wikiquote - No funciona chatroulette.

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zazou
An online casino is offering 3 handed single deck blackjack with those rules:
Dealer must draw to 16
Dealer stands on soft 17
Blackjack pays 3:2
Insurance pays 2:1
Even Money pays 1:1
Double Down on 9, 10 or 11
Double Down on Splits
No re-splits
Giving a house edge of 0.03%
By how much could the HE be lowered by using 'composition dependent exceptions' for this 3 handed single deck game?
Switch

An online casino is offering 3 handed single deck blackjack with those rules:
Dealer must draw to 16
Dealer stands on soft 17
Blackjack pays 3:2
Insurance pays 2:1
Even Money pays 1:1
Double Down on 9, 10 or 11
Double Down on Splits
No re-splits
Giving a house edge of 0.03%
By how much could the HE be lowered by using 'composition dependent exceptions' for this 3 handed single deck game?


Using the Wizards Calculator I get a house edge of 0.14% (allowing for just one split as it's online). The optimal 'composite dependent' play came out to a player edge of 0.01%.

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Have you checked whether the game is 'No Hole Card' (European) as this would increase the house edge if so?
Flynn
I do not know where you get the HE of 0.03 percent. Do you know whether the game has a hole card?
If it has, the game has a tiny player edge of 0.00879%, if not it has a HE of 0.09. When using perfect composition dependent strategy.
I don't think you can make money of this game..
Switch
Great minds think alike eh Flynn? :-) :-)
buzzpaff
But Switch. I thought you did not think Single deck was very popular. Did not want to labor the point at the time, but prior to about
1961 all BJ games in Vegas were SD. Little known fact is that John Scarne was first to suggest a shoe be used in Vegas. But not as
a deterrent to counting, but rather cheating dealers.
Side Bar : Any luck in Blackhawk ??
Switch

But Switch. I thought you did not think Single deck was very popular. Did not want to labor the point at the time, but prior to about
1961 all BJ games in Vegas were SD. Little known fact is that John Scarne was first to suggest a shoe be used in Vegas. But not as
a deterrent to counting, but rather cheating dealers.
Side Bar : Any luck in Blackhawk ??


It used to be very popular but single deck games make up a small % of the gaming floor in todays casinos.
i think that at least 2 more casinos are taking 'Switch' in Colorado over the next month.
buzzpaff
Congrats on Colorado. The reason single decks have such a small percentage is paranoia about counters. Unfortunately, SD games
are very vulnerable to counting and cheating. Hope Shufflemaster upgrades the rack card a little. Colorado is not the biggest market, but it's steady. Again, Congrats.
zarlengp
I have noticed that a few casinos offer BJ tables where the dealer 'stands on all 17's.'
What is the difference in house edge between a 'stand on soft 17' and a 'stands on all 17's' table?
I have been told that it decreases the house's edge, but by how much?
toastcmu
By standing on all Soft 17's (S17)- it decreases the house edge by .22% For the average blackjack game, that is a substantial advantage. As an example, Atlantic City S17 tables have house edges from .42-.44%, while the Hit Soft 17 (H17) tables have a house edge of .64-.66%. .22 is 50% of the difference. The issue people run into is that most S17 games are $25 a hand or higher. Occassionally (At the Borgata, and locals casinos in Vegas) you can find lower limit S17 games.
-B
zarlengp
Thank you for the reply. I am actually trying to figure out the difference between 'stand on soft 17' and 'stand on ALL 17s.'
I am starting to believe that these are actually the same rule, just worded differently. Can anybody confirm/deny this?
dm
Stand on soft 17 means the same as stand on all 17's since everyone stands on hard 17. The alternate unfavorable rule is hit on soft 17. And it is usually stated that the casino 'must' hit soft 17 so as to sound like a penalty action -
which it is, but the penalty is to you. The term should be 'gets' to hit on soft 17.
zarlengp
Thanks for the help. I find it weird and confusing that casinos use several different descriptions on their tables to describe the same rule (stand on soft 17).
In Vegas I have seen the following variations:
'dealer stands on soft 17'
'dealer must stand on all 17s'
'dealer stands on all 17's'
'dealer must draw to 16, and stand on all 17's'
dm

I have noticed that a few casinos offer BJ tables where the dealer 'stands on all 17's.'
What is the difference in house edge between a 'stand on soft 17' and a 'stands on all 17's' table?
I have been told that it decreases the house's edge, but by how much?


So, there is no difference - it's the same rule.
toastcmu

In Vegas I have seen the following variations:
'dealer stands on soft 17'
'dealer must stand on all 17s'
'dealer stands on all 17's'
'dealer must draw to 16, and stand on all 17's'


The more variations they write, the more potential to 'confuse' the customer can arise, which can lead to them playing a H17 game which the house likes, that's the only reason I can see.
-B
sang9768
Nicely stated! I'm a newbie at BJ. However I've been practicing rigorously BS and counting. Soon I will give it a try at a real casino. I live in Maryland not too far from Charles Town WV. The tables there are H17, with $25 min. My bankroll is 5,000. Can H17 be consistently beaten? Or should I drive an 1 1/2 hour further to one of the PA casinos that all have S17? Your input would be appreciated.
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sang9768

Stand on soft 17 means the same as stand on all 17's since everyone stands on hard 17. The alternate unfavorable rule is hit on soft 17. And it is usually stated that the casino 'must' hit soft 17 so as to sound like a penalty action -
which it is, but the penalty is to you. The term should be 'gets' to hit on soft 17.

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Nicely stated! I'm a newbie at BJ. However I've been practicing rigorously BS and counting. Soon I will give it a try at a real casino. I live in Maryland not too far from Charles Town WV. The tables there are H17, with $25 min. My bankroll is 5,000. Can H17 be consistently beaten? Or should I drive an 1 1/2 hour further to one of the PA casinos that all have S17? Your input would be appreciated.
'It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.' - Krishnamurti
mkl654321

Nicely stated! I'm a newbie at BJ. However I've been practicing rigorously BS and counting. Soon I will give it a try at a real casino. I live in Maryland not too far from Charles Town WV. The tables there are H17, with $25 min. My bankroll is 5,000. Can H17 be consistently beaten? Or should I drive an 1 1/2 hour further to one of the PA casinos that all have S17? Your input would be appreciated.


Your bankroll is much, much, much too small to play $25 minimum. If you are counting, you will have to spread at least 1-4, which means that your big bets will be $100. That is 2% of your bankroll, which by the Kelly Criterion, will be too large a percentage, since you are rarely going to have a 2% advantage.
Your bankroll, if you want an acceptable risk of ruin, would permit only a maximum bet of $15. This would depend on the number of decks and the rules of the game you intend to play. If this was a single deck game with double on anything, H17, and other normal rules, you could probably get away with a max bet of $20. If this was a shoe game with H17, you would be up against a starting disadvantage of -0.71%. That means your bankroll gets nibbled at by all those -EV situations at a true count of +1 or less, and the opportunities for +EV big bets come that much less often.

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I would only play on a short bankroll like yours if the game was S17, single deck, Vegas strip rules. Otherwise, your edge is just too small to play the H17 game with only 200 units.
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